Saturday, November 2, 2013

Michel-Rolph Trouillot's Haiti, State Against Nation: The Origins and Legacy of Duvalierism

 “It must be said in all sincerity that in Haiti, the most productive, the most useful class is surely the peasantry. After all, is it not this class alone that pays taxes? Is it not they who bear all the nation’s costs?” 

Finally got around to completing Trouillot's well-written text. The man was a gifted writer unafraid to use the first person or throw in sarcastic and bitter words toward certain figures of Haitian history, such as Beaubrun Ardouin. Ever since I first read his excellent essay on the rise of free people of color planters due to the coffee boom in Saint Domingue a few years ago, and his Silencing the Past was also a thought-provoking read. After his untimely death, I felt reading his Haiti, State Against Nation: The Origins and Legacy of Duvalierism was a must. Furthermore, I heard a humorous story involving him and a former professor of mine traveling in Cuba. Not to speak ill of the dead, but Trouillot apparently recoiled in fear when the two were approached by a beggar in Cuba!

Returning to the text, Trouillot traces the development of Duvalierism before Duvalier to the colonial period and early independent black and mulatto-led governments of the 19th century. Indeed, as he pointed out through a careful examination of the writings of Beaubrun Ardouin, an important figure in Haitian liberalism, Ardouin was the first to articulate a form of despotism in which the Executive held complete control and civil servants were to comply at all times. Furthermore, Trouillot is adamant about the key roles of Petion and Boyer in establishing the pattern in which Haiti became the "Merchant's Republic" where foreign merchants dictated the course of the political system.

Of course, some of the blame for the militarized structure of governance could be attributed to Toussaint Louverture or Dessalines, but, according to Trouillot, Dessalines tried in vain to curb the power of foreign merchants (while urging for capitalist accumulation within the state sector, according to Trouillot) while Petion and Boyer actively courted them and ensured the republic would cater to their needs. This, unsurprisingly, helped fuel merchants cheating the Haitian government, threatening the nation with protective consulships (something Raybaud himself did during the Soulouque years), and worked against the peasantry, the only productive group in Haitian society through indirect taxation on their coffee and other export items at the customshouses (which was unfair for placing favorable duties on luxury goods for elites, hurt peasant producers who received less and less for their coffee and other products but had to pay more for agricultural and other imports from the United States and Europe and the peasantry had few options to resist it, given their exclusion from the towns and cities dominated by the import and export firms acting in collusion with the Haitian state. Indeed, foreign consignment merchants also became powerful in Haiti's coastal towns, including prominent families such as the Brouards, Sutherlands, Prices, and Milroys, who, like the rest of the international trading community in Haiti, "fed on the political, financial, and military instability of the state, and had an objective interest in the rate of political succession, since every regime offered them a new and greedier clique of customers” (72).

In a very similar manner as Dupuy, Plummer, and Dubois, Trouillot illustrates how the Haitian taxation system and death of the plantation economy (despite attempts to revive it, such as during the reigns of Louverture, Dessalines, and Christophe, which Trouillot claims only succeeded due to their black skins and honorable positions as military heroes, surely a position a frequent critic of this blog would disagree with) led to many mulatto elites switching to retail and government to profit of the peasantry and their marginalization in the various dictatorships and military coups that claimed power in Port-au-Prince. Foreign merchants benefited the most from this arrangement, providing loans to the Haitian government to keep it standing while using the threat of US or European invasions to ensure compliance with their demands, hence the violation of Haitian waters dozens of times in the second half of the 19th century.

In this context of European and US contempt for Haitians and the threats and intimidation that went hand in hand with the Haitian elite of all shades preying on the vast majority of the people, it's no surprise that productivity stagnated, the population increased, more and more people moved to the cities and Port-au-Prince especially, and the Haitian economy was trapped in a state of dependence and underdevelopment. Without any capital from taxes used by the state or elite to fund technological innovation (well, except for Geffrard, Salomon, and a few industrialists in Haiti and their foreign partners), combined with the corruption of Haitian politicians using government funds to purchase luxuries they believed were deserved, Haitian levels of coffee exports fell despite rising population and their close trade relationships with the US, Germany, France, and other European powers.

One example particularly pertinent is the estimated 150 million francs in gold Boyer and his cronies squandered from the leftovers of Henri Christophe's treasury. What happened to the money? Presumably, it went into the pockets of Boyer, Inginac, and their other closed circle of mulatto elites and the foreign merchants who supplied them with unnecessary luxurious imports. Or, to quote an example from the Soulouque regime, his appointed nobility numbered in the hundreds and drained the treasury far more than Henri Christophe's underpaid and significantly fewer nobility in the North. Soulouque also spent over 30,000 francs one year for a fine French coat one year, the same as his budget for education! Papa Doc's government had numerous examples from the 19th century for corruption, repression, and poor fiscal policy.

In order to demonstrate the weakness of the landowners in post-emancipation Haiti, Trouillot cites Beaubrun Ardouin himself, writing about his inability to control the movement of workers from his plantation or what they chose to produce and take for themselves! In addition, the black landowners of the North also took to politics and the military to enrich themselves, while the import-export bourgeoisie remained more mulatto-controlled, perhaps due to their closer phenotype to whites. Trouillot does not offer a definitive answer to that, but certainly diplomats discriminated against darker-hued Haitians, why not many white businessmen?

On the color question, Trouillot provides some insights lacking in other accounts of Haitian history and social relations. For instance, from what I can recall, Dubois and Dupuy do not delve deeper in the the demographic signifiance of the clair groups in Haiti today. How could such a small minority of the population from Saint Domingue, who lost signifiant numbers during the Haitian Revolution, still appear so numerous in 20th century Haiti? Of course, the fluctuating boundaries between 'black' and the 'mulâtre' have shifted multiple times, allowing certain people to become 'mulatto' when a century ago, they would have never passed. Indeed, regardless of color classifications or the fact that not just any noir could marry a clair, the question of color among black and mulatto elites in Haitian political history was never about democracy or sharing power with the black masses, something visible in the Duvalier years when the bourgeoisie and handy mulattoes benefited from supporting or accepting Papa Doc and Baby Doc. 

The 'color question' and conflicts associated with it in Haitian politics was also compounded by Trouillot's 'urban parasites,' a problematic term but, if I understand correctly, refers to the urban proletariat and servants of the state and other members of the Haitian population not engaged in productive labor but merely waiting and betting on political crises to enrich themselves of serve another dysfunctional state. This system consisting of the political marginalization of the peasantry and accumulation of the urban sector into the political realm was contradictory and made political strife inevitable, which thereby helped 'justify' US occupation for some. This crisis in the system was already almost at its nadir in the 1860s, when Geffrard could not control the countryside, revolts were spreading each year, coffee prices and cotton were down, and Geffrard had to rely on the British to stay in power.

Unfortunately, the pattern did not end, but only grew worse after US occupation centralized the system in Port-au-Prince and removed what Trouillot calls the 'feeble restraints' of the system. Soon, everything was leaving through Port-au-Prince, impoverished peasants and the growing black middle-class were moving to Port-au-Prince and other towns, and the military apparatus was more centralized, too. Papa Doc, from 1957-1964, merely had to neutralize opposition in the government institutions, already conveniently centralized through Port-au-Prince, and then declare himself President-for-Life. Duvalier was following in the more recent footsteps of the repression of Magloire, too, for both persecuted the political opposition and changed the face of Haitian political violence. Women were, for the first time, valid targets and anyone nearby or related to a target was fair game. This is much worse than the assassination of Dessalines, when at least Petion had the honor to promise her the protection of the Haitian state!

Anyway, the Duvalier dictatorships witnessed the rise of totalitarianism, a specific cult of personality centered on Papa Doc, the worsening share of peasant-producers in Haiti's exports, a kleptocracy with little restraints, pervasive and new forms of violence, and the reduction of the state to Papa Doc himself. His son, no better for Haiti, ruled in a period of increasing prices for food, excessive flaunting of his wealth and ties to wealthy elites, and popular discontent and the eventual uprisings. However, as Trouillot indicates in his book, dictatorships, the Haitian state acting against the nation, or the majority of its inhabitants, were and are not new phenomena.

Yet, Trouillot leaves many questions unanswered. How, for instance, can he say peasants were not aware of who to blame or direct for their worsening poverty in the late 19th and 20th centuries? Even in the 1840s, the Piquet peasant uprisings in the South directed their anger at the exploitative taxation system instituted by Petion and Boyer's governments. Would peasants in the second half of the same century not know who to blame, despite being included in caco uprisings in the North and various military leaders who took it upon themselves to lead a coup against Port-au-Prince? I am sure peasants would have realized they were still being cheated by the same indirect taxation of the Boyer years and the influx of peasants into the coastal towns and interior market towns would have exposed them to the intricacies of urban Haiti and economic/political power. Indeed, as Trouillot argues himself, Haiti was never a society of two separate castes, but rather complementary and unequal worlds where peasants and elites were inseparable sides of the same coin representing society.

Overall, a fascinating overview of Haitian society and a convincing case for the origins of Duvalierism in the 19th century economic and political structure. A frequent topic on this blog, the numerous ways in which Boyer and his cronies firmly institutionalized the patterns of systemic underdevelopment and undemocratic practices, partly inherited from the colonial era and a world hostile to black independence, are fully detailed by Trouillot. However, the question of peasant resistance and pushes for social change requires a secondary look to avoid problematic silence on the question of subaltern agency. Basically, what I would like to see is a thorough account of ex-slaves and their descendants in rural Haiti from the 19th century to the present which may shed some light on the inner thinking of peasant communities and moments in which their actions and reactions shaped the national government (and beyond some of the more obvious ways, such as peasant resistance to the Code Rural).

Well, let me know what you think? Thoughts on Duvalierism and the long first century of Haitian independence? Could capitalist accumulation in the state sector under Dessalines have succeeded in curbing the power of foreign merchants and allow for innovation and improvements in the Haitian economy?

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  1. I haven't read this book yet so I'll only advise you to clean up the obvious typos such as: 1) "One example particularly pertinent is the estimated 150 francs in gold Boyer and his cronies squandered from the leftovers of Henri Christophe's treasury." Your francs count is missing a few zeros. 2) "marginaliation 3) Indeed, as he pointed out through a careful examination of the writings of Beaubrun Ardouin, an important figure in Haitian liberalism, Ardouin was the first to articulate a form of despotism in which the Executive held complete control and civil servants were to comply at all times." Ardouin put into words what was practice under his patrons, the 'republican' kings Petion and Boyer.
    My main objection to Trouillot is his tendency toward a form of populism denigrating the leadership of a movement or nation, as I felt he did in silencing the past. To me, Haiti's history is a textbook example of what happened when a nation is lead by people more interested in their personal interests than that of the state. What Toussaint, Dessalines and Christophe tried to do was establish a foundation for a free black nation, those who came after them completely abandoned that goal. I've already told you what I think Haitians should have done: 1) redistributed the land to the peasants, making them yeomen farmers who pay taxes to the state for necessities such as defense, education, etc. 2) Created a de facto alliance with Black Americans to benefit from the greater opportunities Northern Black Americans had for education. I'm thinking of Prince Saunders, Paul Cuffee and others of that ilk. In a small country like Haiti the capitalist accumulation that could have occurred would have been under the aegis of the state. Christophe's kingdom had such characteristic. Had Toussaint listened to Moise and sided with the cultivators, the resistance to Leclerc would have been more powerful than it was.

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    1. Whoops! Thanks for noticing, that's what I get for hasty writing and no spell check!

      If I remember correctly, Trouillot is related to a famous family of intellectuals, right? Henock, Evelyne and others? They all sounded like a product of the middle-class Haitian milieu who were, understandably so, critical of national leadership and populist (that populism helps that avoid being marked as having elite interests, too, I suppose).

      I need to re-read Silencing the Past. Yes, if only Toussaint had listened to Moise...things would be very different

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    2. http://bombsite.com/issues/90/articles/2708 On that site you will find a picture of him and his siblings as children. He was a scion of one of Haiti's 'cap and gown' elite like the Manigats, Price-Mars, etc. All of his siblings are famous writers as were his father Ernst and uncle Enock. His stepmother Ertha Pascal-Trouillot, was President of Haiti's Supreme Court and the first female President of the Republic a while back. She and Ernst wrote a book titled "The Biographic Encyclopedia of Haiti". No, I've not read it. You endorsed Trouillot's view that the black skins of Dessalines et al in part explains why they were able to revive the plantation system. Trouillot is talking nonsense, he forgets that Tousaint had to severely repress the cultivators who rose up against his policy and sacrificed Moise to reassure white planters. Of course, you forgot that event along with Trouillot! Dessalines's black skin didn't prevent a mob from tearing him apart after he fell nor did it save Christophe after his soldiers rebelled. Robert, stop writing nonsense. It's getting tedious to have to remind you that color doesn't explain anything. You need to find political causes for political events. The cultivators went along with Toussaint et al as long as they thought they were leading them to freedom.

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    3. Excuse me? I never endorsed that, merely mentioned that you would disagree. Where did I ever say that I agree with that?

      Ah, did not know he was a relative of Ertha Pascal-Trouillot. Thanks for the link.

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    4. Ok, what's your take on the subject? You know what my views are but I've yet to see you write yours down. You keep claiming not having read enough on the subject because you don't read French. I figured you agreed with Trouillot based on your debt to David Nicholls, if you have moved from that perspective I haven't noticed it.

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  2. I can see the appeal of attributing the temporary success of Toussaint, Dessalines, and Christophe to the color of their skin, but that's likely only a minor factor. I am sure that in some ways it might have been easier for them to get away with some of their land/labor policies because they looked more like the vast majority of the population than light-skinned elites who once held slaves in the recent past, but it's too easy and somewhat lazy to think that's the only factor at play. Trouillot also thinks that their status as military heroes may have made that easier, which could be true, too. But in actuality it's more complex and likely a mixture of a variety of factors. Geography and the recent past of a more developed plantation economy in the North may have something to do with why it lasted longer in that region than in the West and South, too. Of course, one could also argue that the benefits of the system under the aforementioned three black generals were more rewarding and on better conditions in some ways, too.

    It's also possible that Petion et al had foreseen the end of the plantation system and compulsory labor and therefore were, as Trouillot and others shown, moving toward trade and government instead of land as the chief source of wealth. Petion, possibly, noticed the negative responses by ex-slaves to Louverture and Dessalines and opted for another route that would ensure some degree of popularity with the masses, which I would argue he succeeded as "Papa Petion."

    Regardless, none of them lasted too long and none of their labor codes worked in the long run because of peasant resistance and desire to control their labor. If I remember correctly, Christophe had Francois Capois executed for refusing to carry out 'coerced' labor under Dessalines, so clearly some military leaders preferred to side with the ex-slave masses.

    In conclusion, the Trouillot explanation is only one small factor that could explain the temporary success of Toussaint, Dessalines, and Christophe but ignores some other factors. Because peasants and cultivators at least got something out of working on estates under Christophe instead of wages only from the likes of people such as B. Ardouin, they might have stuck around with that longer. Furthermore, the Revolution, though destructive for the plantation infrastructure of the North, does not necessarily negate the reality of many revived estates (or attempts to revive them) in the days of Louverture's governorship or that of his successors.

    Moreover, the demographics of the country would have favored women over men, and since women were paid less for doing the same work as men, they probably were already reluctant to go along. So, peasants must have gotten some benefits out of the system under Christophe (education, rights, flexible inter-class relations, and other forms of relative autonomy) that made it more bearable than it looked (and without any form of land reform as under Petion, peasants in the North would have had fewer formal alternatives to the status quo except fleeing to the republic in the South or the mountainous areas outside of the control of the central government.

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  3. http://www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg23866.html

    I think whoever wrote this is onto something, the longevity of the rule of Petion/Boyer is certainly due, to some degree, to limited land reform and redistribution. I suspect Petion realized that without something to 'give' to the peasants, popular discontent could be tapped or used by rivals to overthrow him.

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  4. http://www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive-new/msg23875.html

    Also interesting. Despite any interest Dessalines had in land reform (it probably did play a role in his assassination), 'militarized' agriculture was on the way out and Petion probably saw that. Even Ardouin says it saved Haiti, as limited as it was under Petion.

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  5. "Petion, possibly, noticed the negative responses by ex-slaves to Louverture and Dessalines and opted for another route that would ensure some degree of popularity with the masses, which I would argue he succeeded as "Papa Petion."" I'm not aware of any peasant revolts under Dessalines, can you elaborate on what negative responses you are alluding to above? You say that Petion/Boyer had 37 years of peace and Dessalines et al only experienced 'temporary success' when the system they operated on lasted from 1793 to 1820, if we date the demise of that system to the fall of Christophe, or 27 years of prosperity that 'papa Petion' and his cronies failed to reproduce. "If I remember correctly, Christophe had Francois Capois executed for refusing to carry out 'coerced' labor under Dessalines, so clearly some military leaders preferred to side with the ex-slave masses." I think you're confused. The fact remains that under Dessalines and Christophe the state took an interest in modernizing the country while under Boyer the interest of the nation took second place to the wheeling and dealing of the clique in power. The execution of Felix Darfour, the shameful indemnity paid to France that did not recognize the part now known as the Dominican Republic as an integral part of Haiti, says all that need be said about that clique. "and without any form of land reform as under Petion, peasants in the North would have had fewer formal alternatives to the status quo except fleeing to the republic in the South or the mountainous areas outside of the control of the central government. " This is false, land reform was on the way in the North, hence Christophe's desire to teach English farming methods to Haitian cultivators. As for the color thing, the discussion from the Corbet articles shows how absurd it all is. So if a black man has children with a mulatto their kids become mulattoes? How stupid.

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    1. Oops, meant Toussaint, not Dessalines. It's possible Petion remembered or knew of peasant unhappiness from the Louverture days and saw its continuation under Dessalines. Thus, he would pursue another strategy that would also help solve the problem of paying soldiers and giving them something to do other than revolt against him.

      No, I'm pretty sure Christophe had Capois executed during the days of Dessalines for exactly what I'm talking about. Got that from Trouillot, and I don't think he would just make up facts. Sure, land reform was coming under Dessalines in some form, but he was assassinated before anything could come out of it, just as Henri Christophe. I think Christophe's attempts to increase agricultural productivity speak more to land redistribution, but I don't recall ever coming across any concrete plans.

      I'm not saying the Petion/Boyer clique were better for Haiti or anything, just that Petion as the 'founder of agrarian democracy in Latin America' (something Dantes Bellegarde actually believed!) played a role in keeping his regime alive for so long, including that of his successor, who did more to weaken Haiti than anyone else before.

      The discussions on the Corbette site can be really interesting. Would they not be griffes? I recall that in the Boyer years some mulatto women turned down a qualified, respectable black man because she could not envision having children darker than herself.

      The color thing could have played a role, as I said, but that's unlikely or impossible to say to what degree it may have influenced the credibility and popularity of Louverture, Dessalines, Christophe, and Petion. As you said earlier, the masses were willing to follow anyone who they believed would set them on the road to freedom, and even Sonthonax was "Papa Sonthonax" for his abolitionist beliefs and the emancipation decree.

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    2. Look, Bob, may I call you Bob? I find delving into the color bag a waste of time, the only sensible thing one can say about it is that black people prize white or whiter skin. As I've told you before, Haitians aren't the only ones with such bias. Our boy Abagond not withstanding, the Anime depiction of Japanese people show them with white features because of European influence on Japan. Nobody would dream of ascribing any aspect of Japanese society to that preference. I find it absurd to make a big deal out of minor physical differences between people who are crushingly of African stock. The parasitic nature of the Haitian ruling class under the republican kings, who required a child's parent to be loyal to them before said child was entitled to primary education, goes a long way in explaining the importance ascribed to the color question. As your 'papa Sonthonax' point makes clear, politics goes a long way in explaining the attitude of the people to their leaders, not some corny race or color affinity theory that everybody feels compelled to graft onto the interpretation of Haitian history. Bellegarde was the Ardouin of his day. His aunt, Argentine Bellegarde, who raised him, dreamed of turning Haitian peasants into really tanned Italians! Shades of Bug-Jargal. You seem to want to make Petion some kind of enlightened reformer, he deserves credit for having done what circumstances impelled him to do. He would have won my undying admiration if he had created the banks, agricultural colleges and other infrastructures necessary to make land distribution a success, by increasing labor productivity. That's not what happened, the peasant was left to his own devise. Your claim that Capois was murdered by Christophe because he didn't want to supervise peasants is news to me. Berthony Dupont's book on Dessalines claims that Capois was sent by Dessalines to keep an eye on Christophe with whom he had developed political differences over trade policies. Upon being informed of the asassination of Dessalines, Christophe had Capois killed in an ambush.

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    3. Look, I never said color was the main factor here. You're making a mountain out of an anthill with assumptions. You're reminding me of that "Jump to Conclusions" board game from Office Space. I never said the color question was the main factor, just said it was probably a minor one.

      I never said I agreed with Bellegarde, either. I recently read his essay where he argued that, that's all. And to be honest, I dislike Bob. It sounds so crude and generic. I'll look into Francois Capois, what you're saying is news to me.

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    4. I'll never again use that crude name to refer to you, my apology for being informal. I jumped to conclusions because it's hard to get you to state something without equivocation. You keep citing people like Bellegarde, that at some point, one is forced to conclude that a sympathy must exists between the quoter and the quoted, since you didn't state your difference with the authority you used.

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    5. Nah, I meant to use quotation marks around Bellegarde's laughable assertion to express humor, not agreement. I met his grandson, Patrick, and they seem worlds apart in how they perceive the Haitian social condition. I still think that the 'color question' may have played a role in the aforementioned land/labor conflict, but was likely a minor factor. Just think about it, if you were a former slave, wouldn't you rather support the guy who looked like you and shared your former condition? Regardless of that, Bellegarde is certainly exaggerating the 'greatness' of Petion, just as some of the leftist Latin Americans do when praising him for supporting Bolivar and the independence movements in Venezuela and Colombia.

      I've been meaning to read Bellegarde-Smith's work on Dantes, but, alas, have not come across it. You compare him to Ardouin, which, in some ways, is likely accurate, but Bellegarde sounded more supportive of democracy, from the very little I know of him.

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  6. "I still think that the 'color question' may have played a role in the aforementioned land/labor conflict, but was likely a minor factor. Just think about it, if you were a former slave, wouldn't you rather support the guy who looked like you and shared your former condition?" Hell no, what do I care what the boss looks like. Do you care that the pain in the ass customers where you work at look like you? If you do some of your posts on your work situation don't reflect that concern. You are trying to explain a social phenomenon, in part, with the individual psychological state of thousands of people. Any comment you make about such group would have to be couched in the language of statistics. Nobody is in a position to say anything sensible about that because nobody did a survey at the time. I object to the use of such psychological 'explanations' on principle because we both know that any survey would find a broad range of views, some of them in diametrical opposition to each other. The role I see the color question playing in land/labor conflict is that of rationalization by the actors ascribing the failure of their projects to certain traits they perceive in their opponents or allies. The former slaves called Sonthonax 'papa' because they associated the forced labor system he established after the abolition of slavery as a first step in their struggle toward a better life for themselves and their progeny. They began to chafe under that system by the time they rose up against Toussaint's deal with the white planters because they had reached a stage in their development where they could do without such supervision. Tragically, the leadership wasn't there to take them past that phase.

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    1. Funny that you mention that, the pain the ass customers disproportionately being black (though it is a disproportionately black neighborhood now, or in the process of becoming one).To be honest, it is kind of annoying but I think it has more to do with poverty than their skin color color. Most people are nice, but there's always a handful of ghetto ass niggas who have to act their best to embrace niggativity and bring us all down in some foolishness. If I was very poor or old/living on a fixed income and uneducated without a car or being able to afford transportation, I would probably go to CVS/Pharmacy and act a fool or make a mess out of things out of apathy or simply 'not giving a fuck'. To b honest, I don't blame them, they're being cheated out of the little money and food stamps they have (and food stamps are gonna get cut!), so I don't particularly blame them for their atittudes and anger about prices and lack of proper behavior. I work at a CVS (now you know my shame) so they're all being pimped and played, sold fake, processed food, overcharged on pharmacy products, given poor service, sold expired goods, etc.. I must admit, however, that being surrounded by some of these aforementioned 'ghetto ass niggas' I was warned about is uncomfortable and has led me to occasionally think negatively about my own race. Don't get me wrong, I love being black and all that, but I have been outside of that kind of milieu for the past several years and am not mentally prepared to be in an environment where shoplifting is a regular occurrence, people are quick to judge and attack us peons for corporate problems and their own mistakes, and people are just ignorant.

      Yes, exactly, that's why I say it's impossible to really know to what degree the claim of Trouillot and others is factual.

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    2. If you agree that one can't really know to what degree the claim of Trouillot and others is factual, what's your explanation for people bringing it up?

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    3. It's an easy and quick answer to complex things. Perhaps there is a certain degree of bias against the 'milat' because they're ostensibly wealthy and therefore less 'authentically Haitian' and look so atypical for the Haitian people.

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    4. Robert, you keep mixing propaganda with reality. Let's take the wealth of the 'milat' for example, your use of the word 'ostensibly' is a concession to reality because real 'milats' run the gamut of wealth formation in Haiti. Your mistaking the Salomon clan as peasants prior to 1843 and people claiming that Salnave was some kind of elite character when he was middle class shows how class and color are confused. It's not just a Haitian phenomenon, A relative opened a restaurant and hired a Black American chef, all he got from that guy was the usual 'niggativity' about how it's better to work for a white person, 'niggers ain't shit' and so on, he fired the idiot and is doing nicely without black employees. The moral of this tale is that blacks don't associate competence with their kind, hence the importance of the color thing. Niggativity! Hahaha,who came up with that?

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    5. What propaganda? Aren't the 'milat' disproportionately represented among the elite? They're therefore an easy scapegoat for some or assumed to have less of a popular following by some. I'm not saying they're always elite, just that them being disproportionately so aids some historians and scholars to make the aforementioned problematic claim.

      I stole 'niggativity' from a book by an African-American influenced by the Nation of Islam and Five Percenter rhetoric. I agree with a lot of his book though. Black folks sure know how to keep each other down sometimes! Unfortunately, many black businesses have realized that putting their hopes in black consumers is not a great business strategy.

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    6. Ok, now tell me how they became disproportionately represented. Do you buy the claim that they 'inherited' great wealth from their white sires before they quit Haiti? What I'm saying is that there's a social cachet to light skin that impels successful blacks to whiten their progeny. We are dealing here with class psychology that people have used to try to explain the history of Haiti. I think they are putting the cart before the horse when they do that. We can't agree so I'll drop it with this comment.

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    7. Werent they more educated than the black majority and therefore monopolized certain government functions and power in ways that excluded the rest of the population? Certainly the social cachet to light skin existed in the colonial era and left them in a privileged position over the vast majority of the population, right? I think we agree more than we disagree.

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